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		<title>Postdigital &#8211; second thoughts</title>
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The first meeting of the F-ALT09 group was on what might be meant by &#8216;postdigital&#8217; led by Dave White. I posted First thoughts on &#8216;postdigital&#8217;  here before the conference. It was a very interesting and lively session and David has posted about it since &#8211; Post-digital &#8211; an update? I left a couple of comments [...]]]></description>
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<p>The first meeting of the F-ALT09 group was on what might be meant by &#8216;postdigital&#8217; led by Dave White. I posted <a href="http://www.terrywassall.co.uk/terry/2009/08/30/first-thoughts-on-postdigital/"><em>First thoughts on &#8216;postdigital&#8217; </em></a> here before the conference. It was a very interesting and lively session and David has posted about it since &#8211; <a href="http://tallblog.conted.ox.ac.uk/index.php/2009/09/11/post-digital-%E2%80%93-an-update/"><em>Post-digital &#8211; an update?</em></a> I left a couple of comments on the post earlier today but I thought I would post them to my own blog so I can expand on there here more easily in future (and correct the spelling errors).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/terrywassall/sets/72157622336515638/"><img class=" alignright" style="margin-left: 10px; margin-right: 10px;" title="Graham Attwell in full persuasive flow at the falt09 postdigital session" src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2638/3909443796_67911a6cc9_m.jpg" alt="Graham Attwell in full persuasive flow at the falt09 postdigital session" hspace="10" width="180" height="135" align="right" /></a></p>
<p>Pat Parslow has also reponded to David&#8217;s post - <a href="http://brains.parslow.net/node/1541"><em>A technical post on the post-technical</em></a>.</p>
<p>Noting that on-line platforms do not come with manuals and this doesn&#8217;t seem to be an issue for users, David says:</p>
<blockquote><p>This is not necessarily because they are especially simple to use, but because they are massively multi-user and simply by watching the behaviour of fellow users it is possible to ‘pick up’ not only how to use the platform but also why you might want to use it. This should come as no surprise as we are particularly good at learning by observing fellow members of our own species. (There will be a fancy pedagogic/sociological term for this. If you know it then please insert it here as you read.)</p></blockquote>
<p>I think this is a useful description of an important aspect of informal learning whatever fancy a name sociologists might give it &#8211; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimesis"><em>mimesis</em></a> perhaps.</p>
<p>David goes on to consider if the term &#8216;post-technical&#8217; might be closer to what he is getting at. Personally I don’t think we will ever be post-technical society as technology always evolves and there is always something new &#8211; these days often quite awesome. However, post-digital might be possible in the same sense that we are post-literate. That is not to say that we are beyond literacy or it has been abolished. It is just that, in our society, literacy is a given, an unstated assumption of practically all we do. Much of what we do is based on literacy and would be impossible without it. But this is now unremarkable and unremarked. As David says, “For many the term (post-digital) seems to imply a discarding of digital technologies as if they were no longer important” and this isn’t helpful. What may be happening is the emergence of a society where digital technologies and affordances become ubiquitous and will condition all our activities and experience in a way that is as unremarkable and taken for granted as post-Gutenberg literacy is today. We are witnessing the cultural shift that conditions and is conditioned by digital technologies and, like the colonial anthropologists of old, we need to explore and understand it now while it is in transition, visible and still remarkable; before we take it for granted. The best political thinking and sociology is often done when society is changing rapidly and previous ways of thinking and understanding seem to fall short, as in the birth of modern political thought and sociology in the transition from the medieval to the modern industrial world. As Graham Attwell says in his thought provoking impressions of  the ALT-C conference &#8211; <a href="http://www.pontydysgu.org/2009/09/thoughts-on-alt-c/"><em>Thoughts on Alt-C</em> </a>- &#8220;The perspectives we are currently using, to come to an understanding of the cultural/educational influence of digital technologies and the opportunities therein, need to be reconsidered&#8221;. He made it pretty clear at the post-digital discussion, and with some justification, that social sciences and particularly sociology have not offered us much by way of understanding of the current changes in technology and culture. It pains me to agree with this as sociology is my business mainly. However, my feeling is that there are important sociological theories and concepts around that offer ways into dealing with and understanding current changes more concretely and I hope to expand on these here in due course.</p>
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		<title>First thoughts on &#8216;postdigital&#8217;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Monday evening opening session of the F-ALT09 programme (http://f-alt.wetpaint.com/) is a discussion of what the notion of &#8216;postdigital&#8217; means. Within the humanities and social sciences there has developed a rather sceptical view on many claimed post-phenomenon, for instance post-modernity, post-structuralism and so on. The general feeling is that &#8216;post&#8217; is usually an overstatement of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Monday evening opening session of the F-ALT09 programme (<a href="http://f-alt.wetpaint.com/">http://f-alt.wetpaint.com/</a>) is a discussion of what the notion of &#8216;postdigital&#8217; means. Within the humanities and social sciences there has developed a rather sceptical view on many claimed post-phenomenon, for instance post-modernity, post-structuralism and so on. The general feeling is that &#8216;post&#8217; is usually an overstatement of the case.  One useful way to think about what postdigital might be getting at is that we are approaching a time when the novelty of the digital age will pass and an emerging generation will take what we find new completely for granted and unremarkable. Rather like the notion of a post-literate society, we have not gone beyond literacy or superseded it in any way: we just take it for granted that most of the world, our world at least, can read and write. The next generation no doubt will be brought up in a world of personal mobile communications, texting, email, googling, social networking, downloading and streaming audio and video and all the things we see as novel and remarkable. We are already seeing the merging of &#8216;real&#8217; and &#8216;virtual&#8217; communities and the distinction will probably fall into disuse eventually. So we will not become postdigital, rather it will become a ubiquitous and taken for granted aspect of life. However, I think we may be at an advantage living in this transitional period. The next generation of students and colleagues will not have experienced a time, or an education, that did not include all things digital. Thinking about the experience of students today and even more so over the next 10 to 15 years, made me reflect upon the incredible difference between their experience and my own experience of school as a child between 1951 and 1962 and university as a mature student between 1978 and 1981. I could enumerate in some detail what the differences are, as no doubt many of my colleagues could. Working today with students at university my feeling is that in some ways I have been better prepared for operating in and making sense of our new information saturated digital age than they have. The real digital divide is about the heavy premium put on the  information and digital literacy skills required today and it may be the case that students of earlier generations where better equipped by their educational experience to develop these than students who have been brought up entirely in the digital age.</p>
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